Thoughts on WISA
September 2nd 2010 at 1:01pm, By Dave Guerin
It’s almost 3 weeks since the story about the fraud at Whitireia Independent Students’ Association. I wrote a long post on it on 14 August and covered various news stories on 16, 17, 18 and 24 August and 1 September. Given that time lag, I thought I’d put a few thoughts together.
- Blog comments can be great. The original ED Blog post had 28 comments on it, and some very informed people contributed. Comments came from student presidents from UCOL and Otago Poly, as well as two anonymous insiders from Whitireia – the latter added a lot of detail (and some accusations). It’s a great example of how comments can add to our understanding of what is going on.
- Newswire is a great website. Whitireia’s journalism students publish stories through Newswire and while it’s a good site, their coverage of this issue has been superb and a little more thorough than the Dominion Post, which broke the story. They have 11 stories at this link and they all add something – although in one story they interviewed themselves about the loss of free coffee, tea and milk at their campus
- Will this lead to VSM? No. It doesn’t help supporters of compulsory but neither is it a slam dunk for voluntary student membership (which I support). Many small organisations have these sorts of problems, but it does point to weak involvement of students and poor accountability. However, the VSM Bill will probably be decided by MPs on wider issues. Now that Heather Roy has taken over the bill, it might have a better chance too – she will generate more support than Sir Roger Douglas and will be much harder to demonise.
- Is it all the Polytechnic’s fault? Absolutely not. The fraud is clearly the fault of the people who took the money. They should bear most of the blame. After that, the others on the executive who didn’t stand up to probable bullying and deceit share quite a bit of blame too. Once you get beyond that, everyone could have done more, in hindsight, but there’s no clear blame to assign.
- Is the Polytechnic’s approach perfect? Well, no. You’d have to wonder why the poly apparently spent $200K on legal fees relating to a dispute over WISA fees for a case that got settled out of court. That is a ridiculous amount of money. The fees dispute may have damaged lines of communication to the point that the Polytechnic did not get or pick up warning signals from the assn – that does not mean they are to blame for the fraud though. But now that the fraud has occurred, the Polytechnic is making positive steps to support the assn. The only thing I worry about is that they might be seeking to have too much control, and a sharp split may recur in future as student leaders chafe at restrictions, such as a proposed services contract with the Polytechnic. It would be better if support from the Polytechnic was mixed with some support from the wider students’ assn network, probably led by NZUSA, which leads on to my next point.
- Is NZUSA to blame? Obviously not for the fraud, but it could certainly do more to manage the recurring risk of fraud or poor financial management in students’ associations (and generally encourage good management). These problems come around too often and while they hurt NZUSA’s opposition to VSM, more importantly they hurt far too many students. NZUSA needs to find a way to support its members (and non-members)to perform well. I recognise that NZUSA is a membership body and it can’t tell members what to do, but it could put some serious thought into how to manage this recurring risk (and it doesn’t need to cost a lot). It also doesn’t matter to me that WISA pulled out of NZUSA – the fraud still affects all students’ assns and they need to find a way to avoid such events.
- How much money was actually involved? From what I can see, the auditor’s report mainly covered the lack of data available and the figures thrown around to date don’t distinguish between what was normal expenditure and what was abnormal (the gaps in info are due to poor systems and missing records of course). For instance, much was made by the Dominion Post of salaries for the president and executive, but you would expect people to be paid for their work – the issue is whether they were paid more than was properly authorised. It is going to take a long time before full accounts are available in this situation.
Anyway, what do you think a few weeks after the story was released?
17 Responses to Thoughts on WISA
Meegan Cloughley
September 2nd, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Just a thought regarding your comments about NZUSA, shouldn’t they be accountable themselves? Have a robust financial management policy, and lead by example?
Are you aware that OPSA is going through a referendum to withdraw from NZUSA with one of the main concerns being the lack of financial accountability and transparency?
Dave Guerin
September 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Yes, you’re right Meegan about the need for all to be accountable. Maybe OPSA’s concerns just reinforce my general point though about the need for a common approach to acountability
Jay Becker
September 2nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Reminds me of the days at another poly, many years ago, where the student association brought the pub accross the road with an open cheque book and without seeking legal advice. the pub was full of asbestos and had to be closed within months of taking possession.
Tim Renner
September 3rd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Whitireia polytechnic has consistently made positive steps to support WISA, through some difficult periods. This will become evident through the legal processes ahead and through the ongoing open reporting of achievements and outcomes in the rollout of the development plan for WISA.
The easiest place to get an update will continue to be through NewsWire, the Whitireia journalism programme web news service. NewsWire journos barely needed encouragement to cover the WISA situation from day 1. As their articles show, they operate within the ‘freedom of the press’ code to produce independent viewpoints. They attended the Whitireia Council meeting on the WISA issue (no other media did), have had access and interviews with key people and remained engaged with the situation beyond the “$1M Fraud” headlines.
Tim Renner
Whitireia Polytechnic Director, Communicaitons and Marketing
Jo Hymers
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
News wire is the best source in the media however I have not seen any stories about the meetings with the student body.
I have been at WISA and am the ITP chair for NZUSA, you could argue that NZUSA have had a supportive hand in the aftermath for WISA.
Yesterday I met with the student body and would like to note the following:
in this article http://www.newswire.co.nz/2010/08/whitireia-help/
it is stated that the following was agreed on my Tim Manu:
Whitireia to help student association recover
Aug 27th, 2010 | By Tanya Wood | Category: Front Page Layout, Latest News, News
whitireia council meeting MAIN 1
HELP OFFERED: Whitireia Polytechnic Council chair Roger Sowry (left) and CEO Don Campbell at last night’s council meeting, which considered the plight of the Whitireia independent student body.
THE insolvent students association at Whitireia will be helped back on its feet by the polytechnic, the polytechnic’s council decided last night.
Chief executive Don Campbell outlined his expectations for the Whitireia Independent Students Association (Wisa) to a polytechnic council meeting, which endorsed his actions.
New council chair Roger Sowry said Mr Campbell handled the student association situation properly and neither he nor the council was at fault for what happened.
Mr Campbell’s plan would help build a stronger relationship with the association.
Council member Aka Arthur said the behaviour of the association was wrong and asked what sort of controls would stop this happening again. He also asked if the matter could have been dealt with differently.
In a letter to acting association president Tim Manu – tabled at the meeting – Mr Campbell outlined the following suggestions to assist the association over the next financial year:
* A new constitution, to be approved by the polytechnic prior to student ratification.
* The constitution to include provision for elections involving all students for a new executive committee and president.
* Clear governance and management arrangements with the appropriate systems, structure and accountabilities in place.
* A contract with the polytechnic specifying the student services Wisa will provide.
* Wisa services to be developed in consultation with the student body.
* Wisa to provide monthly accounts and have monthly meetings with the polytechnic.
* A detailed audit of the 2009 and 2010 Wisa accounts to be undertaken by an external expert and made available to the polytechnic.
Mr Manu has verbally agreed to the conditions, but has yet to sign, said Mr Campbell.
my comments to this are:
Clarification:
1.
WISA have not agreed to allow the council approve the constitution as WISA is autonomous to Whitireia Polytechnic which is evident in section 229A of the Education Act. WISA have handed over the Audited accounts for 2009 and the current constitution should be in the hands of the Polytechnic, if not then WISA should be advised so they can hand it over (to keep in line with the Education Act). WISA have agreed to allow feedback from the Council to help create a strong set of rules. It was also discussed that the following would be inserted into the constitution:
The Association shall provide the Council with a set of financial reports within 48 hours upon receiving in writing a request from the Council formed by a Majority vote of Council.
2.
As was discussed with Don, the way WISA elections have previously been held seem questionable non transparent; with the new constitution that will be circulated on Friday the 10th of September 2010 for consultation (go to WISA and ask for a copy) there was always going to be a more transparent, democratic election section amongst many changes.
3.
When I was first asked to come and work on a structure and strong robust rules for the Association it would obviously include financial management, elections, structural rules, consultation and accountability, a fraud policy and the ability for the Association to perform police checks on members wishing to stand for office before being accepted to do so. There has been thought put into the issues that have presented themselves and how to ensure that student money will not be taken advantage of again by people who wish to live a high life through pecuniary gain. There will be many changes to the constitution and to go that step further readers will find it a completely different set of rules and I am sure people will be pleased with the rules that are open for consultation (especially compared to the current poorly written rules).
(It was proposed to Don that the Institute play a role in drafting a financial management policy – there was no conformation from Don that he wished to accept the offer and the offer still stand to Don and his team, which will be reiterated today).
4.
It is not the Councils role to have a contractual agreement on what services the Association will provide students as the Association is not contracted by the Institute to do work for the students with exception to agreement with the Institute and Association the services are contracted to the Institute, by the Institute or jointly by both parties.
5.
Obviously there will be lots of consultation with the student body, if you are going to spend money its much better to do so by spending money on things many want otherwise money will be wasted. And as discussed the way forward is addressing the issues that have been created and preventing them from occurring again and ensuring student membership is secure and utilised with the best interests of students in mind.
5.a.
When students attended the meeting held on the 2nd of September i asked students if they felt dropping the fee to $75 per EFT is reasonable and that the Association will work on providing services to students, Students agreed and a list of service ideas will be created by the student body at the next meeting of the student body and a review date for Assn fees will be discussed in 2011 at the AGM.
6.
The Institute and Association should be having monthly meetings anyway – to information share, problem solve and build a strong relationship for the benefit of the students both parties serve. Both parties are responsible for this to happen. Students should be expecting that their Association is having regular communication with the CEO and other staff at Whitireia Polytechnic.
7.
Well obviously the Association in not equipped to do their own audit so it should be needless to say that the audit would be conducted by an external person.
Further during the meeting with Mr Campbell I personally discussed having a forensic auditor and asked (with the agreement of WISA) that Mr Campbell release some money that belongs to WISA to directly pay a forensic auditor to ensure an thorough audit would be done. Mr Campbell declined and advised having the auditor he recommended would be sufficient (noting that I was advised at a later date that this particular auditor would cost around $500 per hour and there is no certainty that the audit would be carried out much like a forensic audit would – The cost is not so much the issue, its the value for money as WISA is in a fragile position both financially and reputation wise thanks to the abuse of positions that some former members held within the non profit organisation (WISA) and WISA is left flailing in the water begging for help with barriers in front of them and people demanding things that are unusually more hands on).
It is important to note that it is understandable that the Council seek security for student money which is commendable, and it also worth noting that the consultation has been positive and the requests from the student body thus far are going to be implemented and safety mechanisms are to be put in place to ensure the Association can carry out its duties in terms of representation, advocacy, support and services that enhance the student experience and ability for Whitireia students to get through their studies.
Hindsight is not something we often take pleasure in and this has definitely created discussion and steps towards preventive measures and ideas on ways to apply pressure on Associations that have members who raise alarm.
Just adding to what Meegan has said, the issue was receiving regular year to date reports to all FEDEX which has been worked on and is being resolved and further we have been receiving information for the past month as requested. The transparency is more around communication and visibility with student bodies which I feel each member has a responsibility to support and promote our national body too.
I support NZUSA and what it stands for.
Dave Guerin
September 6th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Thaqnks for all that info Jo! Looks like you’re doing a fabulous job helping WISA get back on their feet.
Concerned Student
October 2nd, 2010 at 1:20 am
What is Jo Hymers’ role? We were told that she is advising the Students Association. But she should not be their spokesperson! We don’t want an outsider speaking for Whitireia Students. She doesn’t know us! Many of us haven’t met her or know what she’s able to offer the Whitireia Community. It’s worrying to know that we have someone who seems to be here to defend and protect NZUSA. Afterall, it’s her income she’s protecting.
Dave Guerin
October 2nd, 2010 at 8:17 am
To be fair to Jo, she was invited in.
Meegan Cloughley
October 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Also she was not defending NZUSA, nor was she there for them
Concerned Student
October 6th, 2010 at 1:26 am
Word has it, Jo wasnt actually invited. She invited herself and promoted her Student Association by given us students magazines of their Association when she walked around. The way I look at it, she was promoting herself. What’s her role at Whitireia? She never made that clear to us. How long will she be campaigning at Whitireia? What has she actually done apart from talk to students?
Meegan Cloughley
October 6th, 2010 at 11:21 am
she was never campaigning at Whitireia, my question to you is did you ask any of the exec members, or did you go to any of the class rep meetings where she was talking?
Jo Hymers
October 6th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Hmmm, I never promoted AS@U’s magazine for self benefit. I was promoting what your Association should be offering the students and I bought down 8 magazines… hardly promoting myself or my assn magazine especially given that if I wanted to do that % would have bought a box of mags with me.
I have not been a spokes person on behalf of WISA and have not promoted myself as such.
I did speak to students at a meeting called for the purpose of informing all the students properly so you all knew what was going on, the time lines of when things are complete, where to from here (what do student want) and all of it was for students to feel like they were actually being heard by WISA as I was informed that there had been outbursts each time WISA tried to meet with students. I dont know the circumstances of those meetings as I was not there however I feel that students got what they wanted and report back is set for the 21st of October.
I have only provided WISA what I was asked by the staff member and the former Acting President to provide, things such as templates for processes like elections, financial accountability, minutes, policies, constitutions etc… which is all I have done. I have promoted to students that their Assn should be transparent and should be communicating with students though.
I havent campaigned, i fail to see what I was supposed to be campaigning for? I have not tried to defend NZUSA, defend them from what? Was there a reason to defend them? I personally dont see where NZUSA needed me to defend them.
I offered to Tim to give my help and support to get the Association functioning well for the students of Whitireia and then I was invited to go to visit I have evidence of this and could pull it out if I ultimately had to prove a silly allegation like that.
I did make it clear what my role is when I spoke at the meeting with the students, and when I met with WISA all 3 times (I came down 3 times in total for the whole day on the first day, 3-4 hours the second day and 4 hours the 3rd day).
Anyway that aside, I have all ways made myself clear on what my role will be, I do not have powers, do not speak on behalf of and I have no reason to visit Whitireia again except as a chair for the SGM however it is looking like I may not be able to make that due to other committments, you are welcome to approach your assn at any time to see how you canhelp instead of trying to take a swipe at me.
I will take responsibility for providing a base document (consitution) fo the student body to mull over and bring amendments to the SGM, providing templates to make processes more accountable and to begin a strong paper trail, a short training session on right and wrong in WISA, accurate and clear minutes, advising of how elections should be done by vote of the student body and then facilitating the decision on having elections of the 4th of November, ensuring students are informed of what is happeneing, helping creat some form of structure for the current WISA Exec and the Staff member who was carrying WISA and keeping it together.
Go talk to them.. thats the right process, if you dont want them to communicate with me let them know. It is not my place to make decisions for WISA, since I offered my support they have the ability to call on me if they wish.
If there is something more that you want to know try going to WISA and letting them know so they can answer your questions as your accusations are borderline slander.
If you actually wanted to know the answer you knew how to get the answer and so you were actively taking an opportunity to slag off instead of actually seeking answers.
Now that you have your answers… if you reallllllllly are concerned you will go and help your association instead of moaning online.
Concerned Student
October 6th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
We’ve been to WISA. It hasnt been open. Its not a good start if we cant have access to information. The websites outdated now so we dont know whats going on. Good on you for helping out Jo. Pretty sad your not commited to being the chair for the SGM, but suppose its not your problem.
Concerned Student
October 6th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
@ Meegan. Jo hasnt been to any class rep mtgs. we were there.
Jo Hymers
October 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I don’t actually work for WISA or have anything to do with it’s opening hours, I just made a phone call to WISA to see what happened with the opening the staff member put signage around the student hub area – the hours were from 10am – 2 Monday to Thursday however the staff member was in the office until 4- 4.30pm so you must not have seen the signs around the building?
I never was informed of class rep meetings until too close to the time of the meetings, keeping in mind I currently have my own role to fulfill and have to drive from Palmerston to Wellington without pay and I have my kids to think of when I travel.
I would have gone to the last class rep meeting had I been given enough notice and not already cleared my Thursday to come down.
In saying that my function was in dispute with someone who will remain un-named and I had decided that perhaps it is best that I do not continue having involvement with WISA given that I originally offered to come help using my own time and then have to put up with a fair amount of immaturity from the un-named person which could have lead to me being plastered in the media negatively affecting me and my family and my job when all I was doing was supporting your student body to have something accountable and effective.
Since then the current Executive have asked that I continue to support and I have discussed still chairing, I don’t have a problem with chairing (as the role is only to facilitate discussion and to get it flowing constructively) and have said that I still can just not if it will create an issue for WISA. I am committed to helping students out with all my essence and if WISA asks me to chair then I will (I just don’t have time for power battles when I don’t have an interest in being a governing member or staff member of WISA).
Dave Guerin
October 11th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Jo, you’ve clearly demonstrated your commitment and integrity in all this. Don’t worry about the anonymous comments – get on with more constructive things
Jo Hymers
October 11th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I forgot to add, that since the issue of me having involvement and then not and then having involvement I am orgaisned and had scheduled my time to fit my current role when I was of the belief that WISA was going to be fine without my assistance (hence possibly having another commitment, which is to my own Association and I’m not sorry for that) Now that I have been asked by the Executive to continue to support I will try to re-schedule myself or I will find someone who will be good to chair to fill in for me.
I’d never leave WISA in the lurch… 0800 WHITIREIA if you want to call them… You go to Whitireia, you sound proactive… you should know how to contact your Assn, I just guessed the number and rang it as I never stored it on my phone…