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	<title>Comments on: Best Tertiary Websites &#8211; ITPs 2</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Guerin</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Guerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julian, I&#039;ve started the uni post but I&#039;ve got to pay the bills by doing some paid work first :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julian, I&#8217;ve started the uni post but I&#8217;ve got to pay the bills by doing some paid work first <img src='http://www.ed.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator>julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about the Universities?</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I probably should have read the full series rather than just this and the Wānanga one.  I think TEIs have a tricky job regards their web comms given that they have several different audiences of possibly equal value but divergent needs. I would say that usability and readability for most of them have improved dramatically in the last 18 months - along with the entire internet really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I probably should have read the full series rather than just this and the Wānanga one.  I think TEIs have a tricky job regards their web comms given that they have several different audiences of possibly equal value but divergent needs. I would say that usability and readability for most of them have improved dramatically in the last 18 months &#8211; along with the entire internet really.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Guerin</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Guerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 01:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points Stephen, but I deliberately chose some things that could be measured from the outside, whereas I can&#039;t measure visitor numbers, visitor pathways, advertising clickthrough or even site objectives from the outside. TEO sites should meet learner needs first as that&#039;s the core market for most, but I couldn&#039;t easily, quickly or fairly measure success in that area. Equally I can&#039;t measure the value of intranets.

In terms of social networking, I think public networks are more important and usually more successful than intranets, but what you can achieve through social networking is of differing importance to TEOs (see the latest post on wananga for example).

The original post in the series went into more depth about the limitations of my approach, but in the end the series is just giving one perspective, while illuminating sector practice at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points Stephen, but I deliberately chose some things that could be measured from the outside, whereas I can&#8217;t measure visitor numbers, visitor pathways, advertising clickthrough or even site objectives from the outside. TEO sites should meet learner needs first as that&#8217;s the core market for most, but I couldn&#8217;t easily, quickly or fairly measure success in that area. Equally I can&#8217;t measure the value of intranets.</p>
<p>In terms of social networking, I think public networks are more important and usually more successful than intranets, but what you can achieve through social networking is of differing importance to TEOs (see the latest post on wananga for example).</p>
<p>The original post in the series went into more depth about the limitations of my approach, but in the end the series is just giving one perspective, while illuminating sector practice at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Day</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few comments about your criteria:
 
You need to be aware of the audience for the website in question before judging it&#039;s efficacy.  A site that might work for us, as interested outsiders, is unlikely to be as valuable to other parties such as staff, students and less interested outsiders who are coming to the site for the first time. 

So, from that perspective, I think you may be giving undue influence to Facebook et al. If used well social networking is a valuable resource for a defined community (such as staff or students for instance) but much less valuable if you are not part of that community. 

Many people are looking not for interaction but the find core, basic info as quickly as they can. (I&#039;m thinking in particular of potential new students here.)  If those people are the website&#039;s core audience then all the x-factor stuff and social networking may actually be distracting. And &quot;basic&quot; may be a strength rather than a weakness. It may be that you don&#039;t necessarily want them to come back, but to leave having already got everything they need?

Also, if a institution has a well-managed private intranet then Facebook etc may well be redundant in terms of value.

Cheers, Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few comments about your criteria:</p>
<p>You need to be aware of the audience for the website in question before judging it&#8217;s efficacy.  A site that might work for us, as interested outsiders, is unlikely to be as valuable to other parties such as staff, students and less interested outsiders who are coming to the site for the first time. </p>
<p>So, from that perspective, I think you may be giving undue influence to Facebook et al. If used well social networking is a valuable resource for a defined community (such as staff or students for instance) but much less valuable if you are not part of that community. </p>
<p>Many people are looking not for interaction but the find core, basic info as quickly as they can. (I&#8217;m thinking in particular of potential new students here.)  If those people are the website&#8217;s core audience then all the x-factor stuff and social networking may actually be distracting. And &#8220;basic&#8221; may be a strength rather than a weakness. It may be that you don&#8217;t necessarily want them to come back, but to leave having already got everything they need?</p>
<p>Also, if a institution has a well-managed private intranet then Facebook etc may well be redundant in terms of value.</p>
<p>Cheers, Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nockels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Nockels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea, otherwise I might want to keep quite :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea, otherwise I might want to keep quite <img src='http://www.ed.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Guerin</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Guerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can - Paul McElroy should give you a raise! But maybe you should wait and see whether you come out top of the tertiary sector for extra bargaining power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can &#8211; Paul McElroy should give you a raise! But maybe you should wait and see whether you come out top of the tertiary sector for extra bargaining power.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Nockels</title>
		<link>http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/06/18/best-tertiary-websites-itps-2/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Nockels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I quote you to my boss? &quot;superb Facebook page&quot; haha ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I quote you to my boss? &#8220;superb Facebook page&#8221; haha <img src='http://www.ed.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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